In this Recode podcast, we take a look at the world of trade secrets and reveal how some of the biggest names in tech are using the world’s secrets to get ahead.

Recode’s Chris O’Donnell is joined by the people who make the trade secrets they’re talking about, as well as our own Kevin Roose, the author of the new book “The Trade Secrets of America.”

The show is produced by The Verge’s Nick Bilton.